Sandra Griffiths/MELLOW Campaign

So that is one of the main reasons why we were set up - to address that particular address issue. Not just by raising awareness of it, because actually, quite a few people know some of it. They don't know the total picture, and the total picture is not just about why some of the people are in the system, but also looking at the social, political and economic reasons why people are in there, as looking at the changing nature of Black maleness and how people make sense of that.

And looking at how society generally responds to Black men anyway, whether they have low educational attainment through to men who have high educational attainment. Both of them are challenged by this society. An intelligent Black man is feared, as well as a Black man who has not got the same educational qualifications or, perhaps, intelligence, but physically they might be feared. So, on a physical and mental level, our men are feared. Feared in different ways than Black women. I am not saying that it is any less, I'm just saying that it's different.

An intelligent Black woman might be tolerated. Whereas a Black man is an immediate threat. So that's a very small example. I don't think Black women are seen as a physical threat in the same way as Black males. I think, fundamentally, white men do still run things, do basically feel threatened by any non-white male who might have the same skills and understanding and awareness as them.